last night, Honda revealed the 2023 Civic Type R In each historic championship glory white. us all See the car from every angle and confirm Portions of the visual information we got from a former Honda teasebut the full disclosure stopped one important thing: tHe specs.
Honda gave us precious little information about the new Type R, and last night didn’t provide any other details. But, by combining some of the information we already know with a few photos from last night, I think we can make some educated guesses.
I should specify, however, that that’s all we’re doing here: guessing. I have no information other than what is publicly available, and I am not emailing Honda to ask if there is any informationIf these guesses are correct – they are all just fun speculations based on excitement, Full disclosure and what we already know about Honda.
Of course, that means I don’t have any more information than you have while reading this, so feel free to go to the comments and do some of your own speculation. Let’s see who gets it right.
To get started, we’ll need some basic facts. Things we sure I know About the new Type R, based on what Honda has already revealed about the car. While we may not have much, we certainly don’t have more than nothing, so let’s put the proven facts down the page.
What we know about the 2023 Civic Type R
- It’s a hatchback, based on the eleventh-generation Honda Civic chassis.
- It’s wider than the base Civic hatchback She wears a 265/30R19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. That means a smaller wheel size than the FK8, which rode in 20 seconds.
- The VTEC 2-liter turbocharged engine from the FK8 Civic Type R . is reused here But it is now “more robust and responsive”. Honda calls it ‘the most powerful Type R ever’And he does it decisively Not Determine the sales market for this claim. More on that later.
- She set a new lap record for an SUV around the Suzuka circuit with a time of 2:23.120. This beat the limited edition FK8 Type R (you know, yellow) by 0.873 seconds.
That’s not a ton, but we can highlight it with some information about the current Civic’s chassis.
What we know about the FE/FL Civic
- In sedans form, Honda claims it’s 8 percent stiffer than the outgoing model Increase in torsional stiffness, 13 percent Bending stiffness increased, 27 percent Increased stiffness of the rear damper mount. subjectively, After driving the 2022 Civic C Shortly after its tenth-generation predecessor, these improvements made the car feel more confident in its twists than the old car.
- The Integra, which wears a Civic hatchback body, is 2 percent Harder than the Sedan.
- The base Civic LX hatchback on a tenth-generation chassis weighs 2,906 pounds, while the current LX hatchback weighs 2,928 pounds — 0.76 percent a plus. The current chassis also has marginally better weight distribution.
This gives us some additional information about the structure, but it is mainly based on the new Si. So, what do we know about how ancient Si compares to ancient type R?
How the 10th-generation Civic Type R compares to the Si (and the standard Civic Hatch)
- The FK8 Type R was longer and shorter in length than the contemporary Model Si, but context matters – it was the Civic’s primary hatch at the time, too. Compared to the standard slot chassis, the Type R was 1.5 inches longer, 3.1 inches wide, and the same height—longer, in fact, than some trim levels.
- The Si sedan and base Civic hatch share a weight of 2,906 pounds, but the Type R added an additional 215 pounds (7.4%) to that figure. It was also heavier at the front than the Si and the base hatch.
- The old Model R cost $37,895 by the end of its run, a 66% increase over the Si’s $25,000 price tag.
Therefore, we have a large amount of data to work through. With all that at our fingertips, what can we guess about the upcoming Civic Type R?
How much horsepower will be in 2023 gIvy type R made?
Ah, the big question, that everyone wants to know: How much horsepower are we talking about? Honda did not replace the old K20C1 engine with the J30AC engine you find in TLX Type S or something else, so we’re probably playing on a soccer field very similar to FK8. As further evidence of this, check out both Write R’s 2021 And the 2023 laps Suzuka Side by side – the G scale in the lower right corner does not show much difference in terms of longitudinal force. Sure, it could be calibrated differently, but the new Civic doesn’t seem to be accelerating very Much faster than the old one. It holds more speed during the course, likely thanks to the new chassis and wider tires.
However, Honda claims it’s the most powerful Civic R to date, so there should be some boost in power. It’s unclear which Civic variants set each Suzuka’s record, but given that they are both left-handed, I’m willing to go out on one end and think they are both for the European export market.
Look, the Japanese and American FK8 Type R made 306 horsepower, but the European model got ten more horses. If this trend continues in the FL5, and if Honda’s reservations about the engine numbers from the Si around persist, I’ll place my bets on a four-horsepower bump across the board: 310 hp for the US and Japan, 320 for Europe. If Honda decides to consolidate And given each market the same power output, I’d expect it to be 320 everywhere – but don’t be surprised if that number a little underrated.
What will be the dimensions of the 2023 Civic Type R?
The FK8 Type R was 1.5 inches longer and 3.1 inches longer than the base LX hatchback model I stood at the same height. The eleventh-generation chassis sits 1.1 inches longer, 0.1 inches wider, and 0.8 inches less than its predecessor, which looks similar enough that the new R doesn’t differ from the base model by some significantly lightened amount. Best guess, then, is that the Civic Type R will have an overall length of 180.5 inches, a width of 74 inches, and a height of 55.7 inches. Fun fact: It’s wider than the C5 Corvette.
How much will the 2023 Civic Type R weigh?
All that extra structural rigidity in the new Civic’s chassis didn’t have much weight. Its curb weight is less than one percent more than the old car, so the new R model probably won’t be all that different, also. In fact, with the GT-style wings shaving a few ounces, the difference between the base and the R could be as well smallest than it was for FK8.
The current base Civic hatchback weighs 2,928 pounds, and adds the old Type R 215 to its base model counterpart. If we shave that delta down a little bit, then The new R will likely tip the scales at somewhere between 3,130-3,140 lbs.
How will the 2023 Civic Type R handle?
While the 2022 Civic Si has lost the adaptive dampers of the previous generation car, the Type R is unlikely to be either. Expect the car to drive better than its predecessor, taking full advantage of the stiffer chassis and wider tyres. Would it be different enough for you to notice from the driver’s seat? Most likely, yes. Will it make a difference in your lap times, if you’re not a professional driver? Almost certainly not.
However, what might make a difference is the new set of tires and wheels. Gone are the FK8’s 20-inch wheels, which have been replaced by 19-inch ones that wear a bit more sidewall. They are not rally tires, but they may save your wheel over a local pit.
Will the 2023 Civic Type R eventually get its “limited edition” rims, painted Phoenix Yellow, that will beat the base Type R around the Suzuka circuit?
Certainly. For starters, no Makes one leave Hardcore Honda Fetishist money on the table, and no company wants to earn less Cash. Secondly, the new R only beat the old LE around the Suzuka by 0.873 seconds, and after driving both generations in Si trim I’m convinced the FL5 could be even better. Give her her own set of lightweight BBSes, throw in the Pilot Sport Cup 2s again, and let her have a blast.
How much will the 2023 Civic Type R cost?
After horsepower, this is usually the second biggest thing everyone wants to know. So, let’s do some math. The FK8 Type R is priced 66% higher than its contemporary Si, and the price of the Si has jumped $2,500 since those days. Working on the updated Si’s price, this jump would bring the new Type R to $45,650 — out of the question for Honda’s hotter hatch.
Maybe I’m just blindly optimistic, because I don’t think Honda will want to outperform the Golf R – the FK8 always costs less than the Mk7 R, and I expect that trend to continue. With the Golf at just over $44,000, I’d expect a price point closer to $43,000 for the 2023 Civic Type R. This puts it just below the old Limited Edition, and gives it some breathing room from the German competition.
Of course, while these are all informed guesses, they are still just guesses. You have the same information I have here, so now it’s your turn to think about it. Where do you expect the 2023 Civic Type R to fall in terms of power, weight and price?